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You also believe the talent to be there and have only heard AI material. Why? And why is it ok for you to believe it, but you question me for the same belief?

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I said I believed that Jon has talent...and that opinion is based on the potential I saw displayed on the show. To what extent, I have no idea, cause I haven't seen anything out of him outside AI.

I don't believe with blind faith that he has "it" and anything he puts out will automatically be great, as you have stated you believe.

I need to hear for myself to decide for myself how good I think he is.

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I think this is over-dramatic considering the tour just finished in Oct.

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Jon brings out the heart and soul of a song. Even songs I never liked, and makes me appreciate them, understand them, and like them. Also, when I saw him on stage I was REALLY impressed. He's got MOJO! Finally, he says they are good. Family and friends say he is a perfectionist. If he says they are good songs, I believe it..

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Interesting that you make both of the above comments in quotes...in the same post.

Pot, meet kettle ;-)

One of the things I love about Jon is how comfortable he seems in his own skin. He knows he's different, but instead of trying to play that down or pretend that it isn't true, he just accepts it and does his thing. Part of his natural self is that somewhat odd awkwardness that comes out at times, and I find it an endearing example of his apparent acceptance of his genuine self. It's a part a sort of "imperfect perfection". Jon can be awkward and a liddle klutzy and, in my eyes, that actually contributes to his perfection rather than detracts from it. By being both completely graceful at some moments and awkwardly human at others, you realize that being "the best" doesn't have to mean "traditionally perfect". Jon is an amazing man WITHOUT being Brad Pitt, or Martin Luther King, or Ghandi, or whomever folks hold up as icons to their particular idea of perfection. Jon's whole nature, as well as things he's said in interviews, goes against this tradition of measuring yourself against someone else's accomplishments. It's all about developing your unique nature to it's fullest extent. As a lover of existential philosophy, this sort of world view is VERY a-peeling to me. ("a-peeling" - a liddle banana joke "stemming" *ha....bad pun within joke explanantion* from the commercial where they stuck him in that banana suit)

And that's yet another reason why I'm impatient for this imperfectly perfect album!

I want some music so I can sit my husband down and say.........NOW what do you think!? The only Jon performance he liked was Jailhouse Rock, which was not a favorite of mine. On almost all of the others, his comment was......"this guy should be doing show tunes, not rock". That's MY selfish reason. In this marriage, it's almost required for me to always be right! LOL

Does it really matter what kind of fans any of us are? Fandom, like life, exists as a bell-shaped curve. There are those desultory fans at the far left of the curve who might download one song, or burn a friend's CD, and then the intensity of fandom increases. At the far right of the curve you have stalkers. In my business, we consider anything two standard deviations from the mean "normal" That should include people of most degrees of intensity of fandom. So, as far as I'm concerned, short of being a stalker, it's all good! Too much seriousness around here! Let's chill.

Here are 61 reasons I want Jon's new album to come out.

http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v123/jonpeterlewis/MTV%20Asia%20-%20Most%20Wanted/?

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I don't think it is necessarily Jon that is enigmatic...it is the AI reality show machine.

We are merely a part of the AI3 fanbase that got hooked on one of the finalists. Bizarre when compared to the followings of other artists, but from what I have seen, quite consistant for those who got addicted to American Idol. It is difficult to let go of an exciting interest or project that held your attention for so long -- sorry to say, but I think this is the big draw, and AI seasons 1 and 2 are filled with fanbases just like Jon's.

Euphoria eventually does wear off though, and a new season of AI will be starting in a month, with plenty of new young, sexy, male voices to be exposed to.

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I'd like to speak for myself on this matter. Please do NOT include me as being a part of the AI3 fanbase or the AI machine. I only watched the last couple shows of AI1...none of AI2 and I only watched AI3 because of Jon. Everybody is making such a big deal about speed. There is no rush. Just because a new season of AI is starting doesn't mean everybody gets so involved with it that they don't listen to other artists anymore esp. new artists. There's no race to get an album out before the new season starts, that's the silliest thing I ever heard. It's just a reality talent show, and that's it. It won't make or break other artists. Jon will get along on his own merits weather he releases something in Jan. 2005 or Jan. 3005. (liddle joke here). Both my sons wouldn't even know about AI if it wasn't for me. One is 17 and the other is 20. Go poll college students and find out how many of them take AI seriously. They are the ones who are the big buying community. They are the ones who can make or break artists.

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....That said, in my lowly opinion, rushing out a lesser quality unfinished tract seems like the WORST thing Jon could do for his career.[QUOTE]

Even though I would love to hear some songs in the sight, I totally agree about the unfinished tracks. I'm sure he has other songs out there, that he's not planning on putting in the album and that we could here.

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Before Jon, Josh was my favorite AI contestant, and I STILL didn't buy his CD until I heard a track and really liked it. And how did I hear it? One day randomly wondered to myself...hey, what ever happened to the marine dude.... and found his official site on google... a whole YEAR after he left the show. [QUOTE]

That's exactly what I've been saying. People start remembering come new season and even those that really didn't tune in or were AI fans (like myself), but who watched on a on/off basis, start remembering about those they sort of liked. I remember thinking about some of the former AI members from season Two (when I first watched) once AI3 was starting.

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Yeah, it was pretty cool to have that opp. He has a much prettier voice than we EVER heard on American Idol. So, it makes me curious and a little impatient.

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That's what I hear from everyone who knew him before AI. And then to hear that his new songs are exemplary......it just amps up the impatience, sadly

I just have to say that before Jon. Josh was my favorite AI Contestent EVER. And I have watched all 3 years. That said I just want to give Josh the Props that he deserves for getting his album out (even if it was during AI3 that it came out). I also think that his CD is the best out of all the former AIs. If Jon's CD is as cool as Josh's I can wait.

I think one of the reasons I'm impatient is because I don't have much else of Jon's music to play. All of the songs he sang on AI were just short versions of the original and, beyond that, all we've got is My Girl. I wasn't very fond of My Girl before Jon sang it, and although I like his version, I don't love the song itself. With most artists, you've not heard of them until their first CD comes out, and so you have older ones to sustain you until the next one is released. I'd like that first CD to tide me over until the second one is released

I agree with Patti, AI is only a TV show-And I'm not sure I'll call it reality. I think it moves people away from reality. How else do you explain the fact people think albums can be churned out overnight? Some artists have taken years to put out an album and that includes taking their time to pick/write the songs. I just read where Oasis (I thought they had broken up seeing as the two brothers don't get along) is finally releasing an album after three years. It is supposed to be a really big deal. I don't think Jon's success will be based on how quickly he gets an album out to capitalize on the show. THe fanbase from this show can be shaky at best (although I do think Jon has a good fan base.) But as in all things it will be based on how MANY people hear him and like him-as in all things musical. THe key is to get your music out to as many people as possible so they can make the decision on whether they want to hear it or buy it.
I'm glad the Euphoria is finally settling down. That way when Jon's album does come out, you want have people possessed to buy like ten copies of one album like some "fans" of others singers from the show have done. I don't think we need to do that. We don't have to make him "look" good. He can sell albums on his own merit as long as he is promoted properly.
And me I just like his voice-he does make me happy with his singing. Music for me is an investment. If I like someone's' singing everything else just falls into place. The song doesn't have anything to do with it if I like a person's voice. So yes, I will by the album-and I am anxious to hear what his own songs sound like. I like singer/songwriters and believe no one can sing your songs like you can. There's just a new dimension with a singer singing the songs he wrote. I am anxious for his music and when his album hits the music stores-I don't know if I'll be able to stand it! I'll probable go to pieces when I finally get that album in my hands!

Hi JonIsLife. Your post was great! You seem to know a lot about the music industry, so you should get along well with pattie because she is very savvy too. You understand the difficulties involved with releasing music quickly . You also seem to be knowledgeable about marketing issues, which is more up my alley. When the new season of American Idol gets going, people will still remember what they liked about Jon. And there is a huge contingent of people who don’t even follow the show, as you said. Sadly, even at BYU-Idaho, many students were not keeping up with the show when Jon was on and did not know much about Jon. But if he gets good marketing for the single and for the album, most people who care about music at all will soon hear him and be familiar with him and his songs.

Although I don’t know much about how the music industry works, I can tell you what my gut says—“Jon’s music will sell. Jon will be a success.” My gut was screaming that in Idaho Falls when I first heard Jon sing his own songs at full power. Now my gut just quietly whispers this fact to me in case I forget or turn fickle and lose faith (not that I am the fickle type). I trust my gut.

But I also trust you and Pattie on these issues because you both seem to have followed the music world closely. I know Pattie has been involved with Bon Jovi for many years. May I ask how you came to be so smart about these things?

Arts writes:
"gut says—“Jon’s music will sell. Jon will be a success.” My gut was screaming that in Idaho Falls when I first heard Jon sing his own songs at full power. "

You see Arts, that's the problem for many of us.......we haven't had that shot in the heart/arm/gut that you and a few lucky others have had. We couldn't get to Idaho Falls.

Since we know that there is audio and video of that particular concert, and we're not being allowed to hear even a small clip of it, the frustration builds. I certainly trust your opinion of Jon's music, however,if the situation were reversed would you not feel very left out, and dying to hear it? I also trust Jon's ability to make music I will enjoy, but I also know that in my town alone there are literally hundreds of people who should have made it big based on their vibe and voice, and they're still playing local gigs. These people didn't fail to move on for lack of ambition, or a descent into drugs or whatever........it was/is just the luck of the draw.

My husband is best friends with the guy that runs one of the best production studios here in Austin......biggies come there to record....so I'm well aware of the time it takes to get a record just right, and "out there". I agree that the Family Feud appearance will get Jon's name back in front of a big audience,(not sure what demographic watches this show), but are they going to let him sing? And if they do, how would that look?

This will be my last comment on the lack of Jon music, y'all just understand please how frustrating it is for those of us who haven't heard his music.

Oh Bonnieskid. I perfectly understand that people want to hear the music as soon as possible. I myself am very eager to hear all the lyrics and to see how the finished product turns out. And I have also forgotten the tunes to some extent, even though I try to rehearse snatches in my head from time to time.

But even before the Idaho Falls show, my gut was telling me that Jon had that something special that a person needs to be a success in entertainment. (My gut talks to me all the time, and it gets rather embarrassing in public places. )

At least Jon himself, in the chat, said, "It [the single] should be up soon." Now that the holidays are over, maybe things will start to move closer to that goal. Let’s see . . . . What is the next holiday coming up? Ground Hog’s Day? I would happily take Jon’s single for a Ground Hog’s Day present. It is hard to be patient. Waiting can be frustrating. But I believe the wait will be worth it.

I wasn't able to go to Idaho Falls, but I also don't want to hear the music until it is at its best. I know a lot of local bands here that won't go anywhere and not for lack of trying. The only band that has come out of the area and made it big was Cheap Trick.

But I think the problem with the bands here is that they get bored when they don't get discovered and they give up after awhile. One of my good friends is in a band, they were at the point were they were gonna get a CD out and one of the members left. They haven't been able to get in the groove since but sometimes that's the way the cookie crumbles.

Of course that little window that AI openned won't hurt Jon any, and people will remember him from the show. Even if the CD doesn't come out until next year. (Which I hope it doesn't, but if it does it does, there is nothing I can do about it.)

I believe this would be considered more of a chorus, but I am not sure that you would say the song had a rigid verse/chorus structure. Plus the lyrics were neither completely set in Idaho nor completely audible. I would say this part comes somewhere in the body of the song, not at the very beginning or very end. . . . Not very helpful, I know.

Ahh, the need for more music from Jon can only be explained by the words of another musician (slighty modified by myself):
When I hear your music, I go outta my head. I just can't get enough, I just can't get enough!

I know this is off topic but I dont know how to start one so. I was looking through my unckles year book and does any one know a Joy C Richards.


On topic I want to know why he is doing all these things in canada, he wasnt on Canada Idol

Jon had an indie single which he co-wrote with a friend of his in Canada, James Collins. James is an established singer/songwriter in Canada, so they decided to release the single in there where it was picked up as part of a Canadian compilation album (Now! Christmas 2) by some major labels. It did well there, hitting #13.

He's also done some radio interviews in Canada as well as the US recently. Though he was on American Idol, his Season 3 tour played some dated in Canada as well, where Jon was very well recieved. Those are his only connections to Canada that I am aware of thus far. It's my impression the upcoming EP will be a US release...but don't quote me