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The more accounts of the horrific events I read and the more I hear, the more sad and sick I become when thinking of the senseless killings that took place today.
Here is one CNN article that talks about one of the students who 'played dead' just to survive. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html?eref=rss_topstories It is just horrible!
I continue to pray for all involved. ***Proud 2 be a Tony Stewart fan!***
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The Queen of Putrescence

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This is just so awful. The first hand accounts from students who were in the classrooms are awful. I can't begin to imagine the nightmares they face.
I watched the Dateline special last night and they revisited the young boy from Columbine who's sister was killed (Rachel Scott). He was in the library I think and watched his friends die around him. He, years after the shooting, attacked his own brother with physical violence and put a knife to his face because he had a flash back to that day while watching a movie. He has been through so much in these last 8 years. I just fear for those students at VT who will, weeks and months from now, start to feel the real affects from this tragic event.
on a side note: I hate how the network give such events a "tag line". NBC keeps calling it the "Massacre at Virginia Tech". Granted that is what it was, but they way they show it and say it kind of glamorizes it. I wish they would just say the "tragedy at Virginia Tech" or something more normal, than "Massacre at Virigina Tech." *shrugs* maybe i'm looking too much into the news tag lines. anyway....I don't like it.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Favorite quote from 2007: Some people are like a Slinky ... not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.
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Jailhouse Rocker

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I watched that Dateline special last night, too. I can't imagine what it's like to be a survivor and see all the blood everywhere.
I hate the headlines too. I also hate how they keep bringing up the fact that every campus shooting has been committed by some sort of a foreigner or someone who's parents brought them to the US. Just because the kid's Korean doesn't mean he did it because of his nationality. A white kid from Wyoming could have easily committed this crime as a Nigerian living in the states.
That story about the boy who was next to his friends while they were all dying at Columbine just KILLED me. I was also just watching a thing on MSNBC where a brother had come and visited his sister over the weekend to see her dance performance, left Sunday night, and she was killed in the shootings.
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Gidget, the media will always go with the most sensationalist tagline possible. quote: Originally posted by artslvr: I appreciate all the concern people here have expressed. Jplsbabygirl and iris, I will certainly be praying for all those involved in this, and I hope that your friends and acquaintances will be fine. I've counted at least 10 of Jon's fans here on this forum who live in Virginia. Then he has even more fans on his MySpace who are from here. Plus, Virginia Tech is such a huge school that this will also affect people from all over. I know that several people on here are former VA Tech students.
I do feel for the Va Tech chief of police and other administrators who are now being faulted for not shutting down the campus sooner. Although I think they should have immediately closed the campus and notified students that a gunman was on the loose, I think these decisions are hard to make when you are faced with them. You can't assume that the gunman has left. However, hindsight is always much clearer. I think all the campus leaders involved need some compassion too in this difficult situation.
I'd like to echo all of these sentiments. And thank you, arts. I am very glad that your loved one is safe. Courtney, I hope your friends are safe. Many people are angry that the campus wasn't closed after the first shooting incident, but I don't think anyone could have expected what followed. The campus admins and police did pretty well in getting advisories out with the resources available, even if it was in the form of succinct emails and the website. I don't think my campus would have done as well. I've been here on emergency days (9/11, tornado, bomb threats, antrhax) and we have had very little information available. I'd actually talked to administrators about that a few years back... wonder if it will change now?  So far, I have heard that that at least 3 professors, 1 equine science student, 3 civil engineering students, 1 grad student, and 1 staff member (the German language teacher) were fatally shot. It's slow going to identify everyone because personal effects were scattered all over. They don't expect to have a full list for another couple days.
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Speaking of my university: quote: RE: The Tradgedy at Virginia Tech TO: University of Maryland Family On behalf of every member of our campus community, I extend our support and deepest sympathies to the Virginia Tech Family, as well as to our University of Maryland faculty, staff and students who have friends and colleagues in Blacksburg. A tragedy of this proportion shocks our nation and especially every college and university. I am personally deeply saddened by this stunning news. Please join me in pausing for a moment of silence following the Chapel Bells at noon today to reflect on life and values in remembrance of those whose lives ended so abruptly. All of us in higher education are one at a moment like this. While Blacksburg is hundreds of miles away, our anguish is not bounded by distance. I know and have worked with President Steger and offer to him and the entire Virginia Tech community our support in the fullest measures. Yesterday’s attack has again demonstrated that no community can be completely shielded from such an incomprehensible act. In the wake of this tragedy, we are marshaling our resources to support the emotional needs of our community. Students, faculty and staff will find assistance at the Counseling Center or through the Peer Counseling Network. The Chapel will be open today until 5:00 p.m. for reflection and quiet space. I want to assure every parent and every member of our campus family that we are reviewing our own safety and security measures in light of this tragedy. The safety of our campus is our highest priority. An important step is to ensure that every member of our community is aware of our emergency procedures, which are posted on the web at: www.umpd.umd.edu. I urge you to review them. As we support the Virginia Tech University through this terrible time, I want to also reach out to every member of our own family and assure you that we will do everything possible to ensure our safety, security, and well being. Yours sincerely, C. D. Mote, Jr. President
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They interviewed students on Good Morning America today... And they talked to three guys who were in one class together... They were trying to bar the door shut so that the gunman couldn't get in while other students were trying to break out a window... One of the guys was the last one to jump out of that window.. Cuz they two guys in line behind him ended up getting shot... As did their professor... They also interviewed one of the girls who was in the German class.. She said the gunman walked by the class twice and looked in (and at first they just that he was lost and thought that it was odd for someone to be lost)... The next time he came back he just started shooting... And she saw people fall around her (it was a small class)... And then he just left... There were four students in that room that survived the rest were shot..
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quote: While Blacksburg is hundreds of miles away, our anguish is not bounded by distance.
Iris, that is a particularly powerful line from your university president. I found out this morning that the friend I was worried about was in fact in Norris Hall (the engineering building where this all happened) during the whole incident. He is fine, but very shaken. One of the professors shot was apparently working on a cure for cerebal palsy. And apparently one professor was a holocaust survivor; I'm not sure if that was the same one. One professor sacrificed himself to let the students escape. He held the door while students jumped out the window. I've been skimming so many reports so quickly that it is getting a little muddled in my mind, but it is so tragic that all these great people, professors and students, are gone.
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They also interviewed the President of the University... And he said that they know for sure who the gunman was and that he was indeed a student at Va Tech..
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They have begun to release some of the names (this is from cnn.com):
quote: (CNN) -- The victims came to Virginia Tech from different backgrounds and different continents.
Officials have begun to release the names of the 32 people shot and killed by a student on the college campus in Blacksburg, Virginia on Monday.
Ross Alameddine, 20, was a student from Saugus, Massachusetts. The sophomore English major was shot during French class, a family friend told The Associated Press. A Facebook page created in Alameddine's remembrance called him "an intelligent, funny, easygoing guy who will be greatly missed."
Ryan Clark, 22, was known as "Stack" to his friends in the Marching Virginians college band. The Virginia Tech senior came from Martinez in Georgia and was a "true example of 'The Spirit of Tech'," according to a message posted on the band's web site. He majored in biology and English, and carried a 4.0 grade-point average, according to the coroner in Columbia County, Georgia. Clark was a resident assistant at West Ambler Johnston Hall, the dormitory where he and another person were shot dead at 7:15 a.m. Monday. He had been planning to pursue a PhD in psychology with a focus in cognitive neuroscience, according to the Marching Viginains Web site.
Kevin Granata, age unknown, was one of the top five biomechanics researchers in the country working on movement dynamics in cerebral palsy, the head of Engineering Science and Mechanics Department at Virginia Tech said in an e-mail to The Associated Press. He served in the military and conducted orthopedic research in hospitals before coming to Virginia Tech, according to AP. Granata's academic career included stints at the Johns Hopkins University, Ohio State University, University of Virginia and Wake Forest University. "With so many research projects and graduate students, he still found time to spend with his family, and he coached his children in many sports and extracurricular activities," enginerring professor Demetri P. Telionis told AP.
Matthew La Porte, 20, of Dumont, New Jersey, was studying political science and French at Virginia Tech. HE was also a member of the Corps of Cadets, the Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets band, the Highty-Tighties and the U.S. Air Force ROTC, according to his Myspace page.
Liviu Librescu, 76, was a Holocaust survivor, who his son said, will be remembrered as a hero. He "blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Joe Librescu told AP. "Students started opening windows and jumping out." The elder Librescu, a professor at Virginia Tech, was recognized internationally for his research in aeronautical engineering, the head of the Engineering Science and Mechanics Department at Virginia Tech told AP. He was born and received his advanced degrees in Romania.
G.V. Loganathan, 51, was a professor of civil and environmental engineering in the College of Engineering at Virginia Tech. Since coming to Virginia Tech in 1982, he earned the Outstanding Faculty Award, the Dean's Award for Excellence in Teaching and the Faculty Achievement Award for Excellence in Civil Engineering Education, according to his biography on the Virginia Tech Web site. Loganathan, of Tamil Nadu, India, lived with his wife and children on Virginia Tech's campus, according to the Times of India.
Juan Ortiz, student, according to Dr. William Knocke of the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering.
Jarrett Lane, student, according to Dr. William Knocke of the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering.
Erin Peterson, student, Centreville, Virginia
Reema Joseph Samaha, student
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quote: BLACKSBURG, Virginia (CNN) -- The gunman who killed 30 people at Virginia Tech's Norris Hall before turning the gun on himself was student Cho Seung-hui, university police Chief Wendell Flinchum said Tuesday.
Cho left a long and vitriolic note in his dorm room, law enforcement sources told ABC News. It contains an explanation of his actions and states, "You caused me to do this," ABC News reported.
It also railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus, according to the Chicago Tribune.
University officials said they were still trying to determine whether Cho was responsible for a shooting earlier Monday that left two dead at a dormitory.
However, Flinchum said ballistics tests show that one of the two guns recovered at Norris Hall was used at Norris and at the dorm, both located on the 26,000-student campus.
Authorities are still investigating whether Cho had any accomplices in planning or executing Monday's rampage, Col. Steven Flaherty of the Virginia State Police said.
"It certainly is reasonable for us to assume that Cho was the shooter in both places, but we don't have the evidence to take us there at this particular point in time," Flaherty said.
Cho, a 23-year-old South Korean and resident alien, was an English major who lived at the university's Harper Hall, Flinchum said.
"He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," said Larry Hincker, associate vice president for university relations.
Cho came to the United States in 1992, through Detroit, Michigan, a department of Homeland Security official said. He had lawful permanent residence, via his parents, and renewed his green card in October 2003, the official said.
His residence was listed as Centreville, Virginia, a suburb of Washington, D.C.
The university and police are still in the process of releasing the names of those killed in Monday's shootings.
"What went on during that incident certainly caused tremendous chaos and panic in Norris Hall," Flaherty said, describing how victims were found in four classrooms and in the stairwell of the school's engineering science and mechanics building.
Doctor recalls 'amazing' injuries
A doctor at a Blacksburg hospital described the injuries he saw Monday as "amazing" and the shooter as "brutal."
"There wasn't a shooting victim that didn't have less than three bullet wounds in them," said Dr. Joseph Cacioppo of Montgomery Regional Hospital.
A source familiar with the investigation said the weapons found at Norris were a Walther .22-caliber semi-automatic and a 9 mm Glock -- both with the serial numbers filed off.
As questions continued to arise about how police reacted to the first shooting at the dorm, university President Charles Steger on Tuesday defended the response, saying police believed it to be "a domestic fight, perhaps a murder-suicide" that was contained to one dorm room.
Police cordoned off the 895-student West Ambler Johnston dorm and all residents were told about the shooting as police looked for witnesses, Steger said.
Authorities were still investigating what they believed was an "isolated incident" when the slaughter occurred at Norris Hall.
"I don't think anyone could have predicted that another event was going to take place two hours later," Steger said, adding that it would've been difficult to warn every student because most were off campus at the time.
Steger told reporters Monday that when police responded to Norris Hall they found the front doors chained shut. The gunfire had stopped by the time they reached the second floor, he said.
The gunman killed 31 people, including himself, and wounded 15 in Norris Hall classrooms.
Student heard clip drop to ground
Zach Petkewicz was in class when the shooting at Norris began and "everyone went into a frenzy, a panic." Petkewicz was hiding behind a podium when he realized there was nothing preventing the shooter from entering the classroom and barked to his classmates, "We need to barricade this door.
Two students joined him in throwing tables against the door and wedging their weight behind them, just as the gunman cracked open the door.
When the students slammed the door in his face, "he backed up and shot twice into the middle of the door thinking we were up against it," Petkewicz said.
"I was up against the side holding this desk up against there and I just heard his clip drop to the ground and he reloaded, and I thought he was coming back for a second round, to try and get his way in there," he said. "He didn't say a word, and he just turned and kept firing down the hall and didn't try to get back in."
As of midday Tuesday, officials were still releasing the names of those killed, which include a marching band member from Georgia and an Israeli Holocaust survivor who headed the engineering and science department.
The university has scheduled a convocation for 2 p.m. ET Tuesday. President Bush and the first lady are scheduled to attend.
Classes have been canceled for the rest of the week, and Norris Hall will be closed for the remainder of the semester, Steger said. Student Emily Alderman said students were sending out instant messages urging each other to wear their Virginia Tech Hokie gear in a sign of unity.
There have been two bomb threats at the university this month, the latest of which came Friday. Flinchum said Tuesday they were unrelated to the shootings.
Last August, the first day of class was cut short at Virginia Tech by a manhunt for an escaped prisoner accused of killing a Blacksburg hospital security guard and a sheriff's deputy.
Before Monday, the deadliest mass shooting in the United States occurred in 1991, when George Hennard drove a pickup truck into a Killeen, Texas, cafeteria and fatally shot 23 people, before shooting and killing himself.
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Asians fear backlash after Virginia Tech shooting
BLACKSBURG, Va., April 17 (Reuters) - Virginia Tech student Jiyoun Yoo was terrified when she heard a gunman had rampaged through her campus, killing 32 people. When news broke on Tuesday that the gunman was a South Korean student, her fear took a new direction.
"I'm from South Korea, so I am a little bit scared," said Yoo, 24, as she walked on campus. Only one person was responsible for the massacre, she said, "but maybe it will affect all South Korean students."
The gunman who carried out the worst shooting rampage in modern U.S. history was identified as Cho Seung-Hui, 23, an English literature student. He had lived legally in the United States with his parents for 14 years, a U.S. immigration official said.
Yoo, a petite graduate student with long black hair, said she didn't know the gunman and none of her Korean friends had heard of him either.
"If he speaks Korean, we'd maybe know him, but none of us does," she said. She said her family in Seoul had called overnight, very concerned Yoo might be a target if there was a backlash against Asian students at Virginia Tech.
"It is big news in South Korea. Yesterday they were worried if I'm safe, now they are worried there might be a risk that I'm South Korean," said Yoo.
In Seoul, the South Korean government also expressed fears of a backlash.
"We are working closely with our diplomatic missions and local Korean residents' associations in anticipation of any situation that may arise," a Foreign Ministry official said.
South Korea has the largest number of foreign students in the United States -- nearly 15 percent -- according to the U.S. Customs and Enforcement Web site.
Police say Cho chained doors closed to trap students inside as he gunned them down before killing himself. There were early rumors the gunman was Asian, but his identity was not disclosed until Tuesday.
Some 1,655 students at Virginia Tech, or 6.2 percent, are Asian, the university's Web site says.
Annie Hang Tran, a member of the Korean American Student Association, said Cho did not belong to the group. "I didn't know the shooter," she said, declining further comment.
White students on campus dismissed suggestions there might be a backlash against foreigners at the university.
"It hadn't even crossed my mind," said Andrew Rush, 20, an accounting major. "There is a huge Asian community on campus and we're all together in class all day. It's so integrated I don't think this will change anything."
Foreign-born residents in Blacksburg said the town, nestled in the mountains of southwest Virginia, is a welcoming place.
"Everyone has always been open and supportive," said Xiaojin Moore, co-owner of the Oasis World Market grocery store a mile (1.6 km) from campus.
Moore, a native of China, hopes her three small children will not be targeted because of their Asian appearance.
"We just want to be left alone to figure things out, until things calm down," Moore said.
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The Queen of Putrescence

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Wow, Jolie, looking at that link you posted you can most definitely see the world wide impact of this act. There was a student killed who was also from South Korea. One from Peru, Puerto Rico and the Romanian teacher. It's just so sad!
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Favorite quote from 2007: Some people are like a Slinky ... not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.
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Jailhouse Rocker

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My school sent out an email today about the services they're holding on campus the next few days. All classes are encouraged to discuss the tragedy. Lots of emergency planning committees working hard now.
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Tiny Dancer

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Looking at the faces of those people is heartbreaking... I don't even know what to say.
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Weird ... Va. Tech Gunman Sent Material to NBC By MATT APUZZO, AP National Writer 25 minutes ago BLACKSBURG, Va. - Between his first and second bursts of gunfire, the Virginia Tech gunman mailed a package to NBC News containing what authorities said were images of him brandishing weapons and a video of him delivering a diatribe about getting even with rich people. "This may be a very new, critical component of this investigation. We're in the process right now of attempting to analyze and evaluate its worth," said Col. Steve Flaherty, superintendent of Virginia State Police. He gave no details on the material. NBC said that a time stamp on the package indicated the material was mailed in the two-hour window between the first burst of gunfire in a high-rise dormitory and the second fusillade, at a classroom building. Thirty-three people died in the rampage, including the gunman, 23-year-old student Cho Seung-Hui, who committed suicide. The package included digital images of him holding weapons and a manifesto that "rants against rich people and warns that he wants to get even," according to a law enforcement official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about the case. MSNBC said that the package included a CD-ROM on which Cho read his manifesto. "NBC Nightly News" planned to show some of the material Wednesday night, MSNBC reported. NBC said it immediately turned the package over to authorities on Wednesday. The package was sent to NBC News head Steve Capus. If the package was indeed mailed between the first attack and the second, that would help explain where Cho was and what he did during that two-hour window.
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The Queen of Putrescence

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Dude was SICK!
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Favorite quote from 2007: Some people are like a Slinky ... not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.
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Wow... he had it all planned out. This story just keeps getting bigger. I am glad for the delay. It would have sucked to have all this crap yesterday.
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Jailhouse Rocker

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WHAAAT? I just turned on MSNBC and learned about this package because the president of the network is going to be on at 7 I think.
I feel bad for the teacher that was trying to get him help even though they can't force him to do anything. She must feel like she's a causal factor in this whole thing, even though she did everything possible.
I also saw that schools in CO, MD, and SC were on lockdown today....Seems like people are more careful after Monday's events.
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